Recruitment and retention

[mr_c]

mark n sounds like he staying for 26

 

[Liverbird with Phins up]

I wouldn’t want Burton at 5/8th.

I reckon Galvin, is going to be that good. The point I want to make is that he is good at running at the line, which would complement Katoa.

I’d pay overs for him. And I’d give him a long term deal as well.

I don’t think Brown is worth 1.3mil.

However, you need to look at the halves market, a 10 year deal for a good player in the halves is good from an inflation point of view. What do you think other halves etc are going to want seeing the brown deal. 1.3mil in 5 years for a half will be the norm if not unders

 

[Dolph]

I wouldn’t want Burton at 5/8th.

I reckon Galvin, is going to be that good. The point I want to make is that he is good at running at the line, which would complement Katoa.

I’d pay overs for him. And I’d give him a long term deal as well.

I don’t think Brown is worth 1.3mil.

However, you need to look at the halves market, a 10 year deal for a good player in the halves is good from an inflation point of view. What do you think other halves etc are going to want seeing the brown deal. 1.3mil in 5 years for a half will be the norm if not unders

Galvin is already a better 5/8 than Burton. But for a mil a year or more for an extended period........ It's a gamble.

 

[Liverbird with Phins up]

Galvin is already a better 5/8 than Burton. But for a mil a year or more for an extended period........ It's a gamble.

No doubt a gamble. Agreed.

However, 1.3mil for a half is what we are going to have to do to solve our 5/8th prob.

It’s going to cost us

 

[Dolph]

No doubt a gamble. Agreed.

However, 1.3mil for a half is what we are going to have to do to solve our 5/8th prob.

It’s going to cost us

Unless we unearth our own superstar 5/8. With Kotoa not playing like he did last week but like he did in the test matches against very good opposition, I think we should be looking to get a 5/8 on the next tier down. Someone on more like 800~900k rather than 1.1~1.3 mil. Then spend the money elsewhere.

 

[Liverbird with Phins up]

Unless we unearth our own superstar 5/8. With Kotoa not playing like he did last week but like he did in the test matches against very good opposition, I think we should be looking to get a 5/8 on the next tier down. Someone on more like 800~900k rather than 1.1~1.3 mil. Then spend the money elsewhere.

Agreed, but as a start up we are going to pay overs to get someone here. So, that 800 to 900k player will cost us 1.1. Thats kind of what I reckon.

Finger crossed it isn't the case. However, as a fan, even I am realistic in the fact our club is a relative unknown due to our newness, and our coach is a relative unknown in the NRL.

 

[257Matt]

Agreed, but as a start up we are going to pay overs to get someone here. So, that 800 to 900k player will cost us 1.1. Thats kind of what I reckon.

Finger crossed it isn't the case. However, as a fan, even I am realistic in the fact our club is a relative unknown due to our newness, and our coach is a relative unknown in the NRL.

Every player except for Flegler that has signed for the Dolphins has either been unwanted by their former clubs or not chased by anyone else or in the cases of Katoa and Teague straight out of SG Ball.

Before I get shouted down about Herbie that was a classic own goal by the Broncos management and ego played so much into that by Walters and Dongahy. Dolphins were trying to get Mariner and Broncos reported Dolphins for breaching the anti-tampering rules and Broncos doubled down by re-signing him to prove a point. Both Gamble and Cobbo went on podcasts where both questioned Walters as a coach Cobbo's was far wider reaching and more damaging yet one was sacked and one was retained the more precious and more talented player kept.

In all this Dolphins cleverly worked out Herbie wasn't as wanted by the Broncos as it seemed and they nailed him. Herbie, Best and Staggs are probably the 2nd to 4th best centres in the NRL today give or take who's 2-3-4 yet Broncos didn't see it that way nor did their propaganda podcaster machine Denan Kemp who has since admitted error in judgement.

Dolphins upped it for Flegler as it was between them and Roosters in the end Dolphins won the battle.

All the rest have been cast off, unwanted or aging players that Bennett got a lot out of.

Bostock and Walsh have a very similar story in both were largely unwanted by Dragons after SG Ball yet they signed their sisters.

So unless Dolphins land a freak junior and I remember Gus Gould saying in 2022 about the Dolphins (it's on YouTube) that a pathways system can often take close to 10 years before it produces NRL ready talent they might need to bid overs for a 5/8 to compliment Katoa. Even though Redcliffe have been around for ages all the good juniors have been in club academies for years eg Toia, Te Kura, Oloapu.

 

[mr_c]

Every player except for Flegler that has signed for the Dolphins has either been unwanted by their former clubs or not chased by anyone else or in the cases of Katoa and Teague straight out of SG Ball.

Before I get shouted down about Herbie that was a classic own goal by the Broncos management and ego played so much into that by Walters and Dongahy. Dolphins were trying to get Mariner and Broncos reported Dolphins for breaching the anti-tampering rules and Broncos doubled down by re-signing him to prove a point. Both Gamble and Cobbo went on podcasts where both questioned Walters as a coach Cobbo's was far wider reaching and more damaging yet one was sacked and one was retained the more precious and more talented player kept.

In all this Dolphins cleverly worked out Herbie wasn't as wanted by the Broncos as it seemed and they nailed him. Herbie, Best and Staggs are probably the 2nd to 4th best centres in the NRL today give or take who's 2-3-4 yet Broncos didn't see it that way nor did their propaganda podcaster machine Denan Kemp who has since admitted error in judgement.

Dolphins upped it for Flegler as it was between them and Roosters in the end Dolphins won the battle.

All the rest have been cast off, unwanted or aging players that Bennett got a lot out of.

Bostock and Walsh have a very similar story in both were largely unwanted by Dragons after SG Ball yet they signed their sisters.

So unless Dolphins land a freak junior and I remember Gus Gould saying in 2022 about the Dolphins (it's on YouTube) that a pathways system can often take close to 10 years before it produces NRL ready talent they might need to bid overs for a 5/8 to compliment Katoa. Even though Redcliffe have been around foryou rea ages all the good juniors have been in club academies for years eg Toia, Te Kura, Oloapu.

you talk about gus all the time so put your nuts on the line n tell me the players that were wanted bye other clubs that gus signed lol ffs

 

[Liverbird with Phins up]

Every player except for Flegler that has signed for the Dolphins has either been unwanted by their former clubs or not chased by anyone else or in the cases of Katoa and Teague straight out of SG Ball.

Before I get shouted down about Herbie that was a classic own goal by the Broncos management and ego played so much into that by Walters and Dongahy. Dolphins were trying to get Mariner and Broncos reported Dolphins for breaching the anti-tampering rules and Broncos doubled down by re-signing him to prove a point. Both Gamble and Cobbo went on podcasts where both questioned Walters as a coach Cobbo's was far wider reaching and more damaging yet one was sacked and one was retained the more precious and more talented player kept.

In all this Dolphins cleverly worked out Herbie wasn't as wanted by the Broncos as it seemed and they nailed him. Herbie, Best and Staggs are probably the 2nd to 4th best centres in the NRL today give or take who's 2-3-4 yet Broncos didn't see it that way nor did their propaganda podcaster machine Denan Kemp who has since admitted error in judgement.

Dolphins upped it for Flegler as it was between them and Roosters in the end Dolphins won the battle.

All the rest have been cast off, unwanted or aging players that Bennett got a lot out of.

Bostock and Walsh have a very similar story in both were largely unwanted by Dragons after SG Ball yet they signed their sisters.

So unless Dolphins land a freak junior and I remember Gus Gould saying in 2022 about the Dolphins (it's on YouTube) that a pathways system can often take close to 10 years before it produces NRL ready talent they might need to bid overs for a 5/8 to compliment Katoa. Even though Redcliffe have been around for ages all the good juniors have been in club academies for years eg Toia, Te Kura, Oloapu.

Dolphins aren’t a new club. They had existing pathways.

I am actually from the bulldogs area. I was born in Auburn.

I went to school in Enfield. Liv d in Greenarce my whole young life.

I can tell you the Balmain junior comp and Canterbury Bankstown comp aren’t healthy.

Enfield feds, one of the biggest clubs in the region went bust 5/6 years ago. My son played for them.

So I think your talk of pathways seems miss guided in relation to your club.

Penrith/Parra and the Illawarra is where it’s at. Clubs like the dragons are just dumb.

The QLD system is pretty good. And the areas the dolphins are tapping into and have tapped into for years, are relatively healthy.

All in all though. League is a very small game, with a very mature age in the product life cycle. They need customer growth and participation badly. I see more EPL jersey on the streets then I do league. And that tells you everything you need to know

 

[257Matt]

Dolphins aren’t a new club. They had existing pathways.

I am actually from the bulldogs area. I was born in Auburn.

I went to school in Enfield. Liv d in Greenarce my whole young life.

I can tell you the Balmain junior comp and Canterbury Bankstown comp aren’t healthy.

Enfield feds, one of the biggest clubs in the region went bust 5/6 years ago. My son played for them.

So I think your talk of pathways seems miss guided in relation to your club.

Penrith/Parra and the Illawarra is where it’s at. Clubs like the dragons are just dumb.

The QLD system is pretty good. And the areas the dolphins are tapping into and have tapped into for years, are relatively healthy.

All in all though. League is a very small game, with a very mature age in the product life cycle. They need customer growth and participation badly. I see more EPL jersey on the streets then I do league. And that tells you everything you need to know

Yes Dolphins have had Pathways so have Capras, Norths and Wide Bay the problem was all the elite players from those areas had been snapped up by other NRL clubs by the time they were 13-15 years old this is why I said it'll take close to a decade for any pathways to kick in and with Dolphins struggling to attract elite players a lot of kids are more wooed by successful clubs and successful cultures.

Canterbury Junior League numbers have remained roughly the same for the last few years and this year have an old club being reborn after nearly 20 year absence. Their pathways is Gus Gould scouting every part of NSW, QLD, NZ & Fiji and spending over $4million on pathways alone as it's not part of the cap. Bulldogs have 5 Sunshine Coast based players in their system from NRL to Harold Matthews that neither Storm or Dolphins got a shot at.

The NRL don't care about regional football and it sucks. I go to a lot of country towns to watch the footy. I support Gerringong Lions (one of the few clubs to buck the country trend), Cootamundra Bulldogs, Young Cherrypickers, Tea Gardens Hawks, Central Charlestown Butcher Boys, Port City Breakers and Port Macquarie Sharks to name a few sides.

 

[Liverbird with Phins up]

Yes Dolphins have had Pathways so have Capras, Norths and Wide Bay the problem was all the elite players from those areas had been snapped up by other NRL clubs by the time they were 13-15 years old this is why I said it'll take close to a decade for any pathways to kick in and with Dolphins struggling to attract elite players a lot of kids are more wooed by successful clubs and successful cultures.

Canterbury Junior League numbers have remained roughly the same for the last few years and this year have an old club being reborn after nearly 20 year absence. Their pathways is Gus Gould scouting every part of NSW, QLD, NZ & Fiji and spending over $4million on pathways alone as it's not part of the cap. Bulldogs have 5 Sunshine Coast based players in their system from NRL to Harold Matthews that neither Storm or Dolphins got a shot at.

The NRL don't care about regional football and it sucks. I go to a lot of country towns to watch the footy. I support Gerringong Lions (one of the few clubs to buck the country trend), Cootamundra Bulldogs, Young Cherrypickers, Tea Gardens Hawks, Central Charlestown Butcher Boys, Port City Breakers and Port Macquarie Sharks to name a few sides.

Dude. Sunshine Coast clubs aren’t part of the Canterbury pathways. It’s called poaching other areas.

Rugby league started as a comp where you could only play in the area you are from. Johnny Raper played for St George under shady circumstances.

So that dodgy behaviour has been around for years. In this case it’s not against the rules. However, calling it a pathway makes it sound like you’re doing a great job. But the reality is, you are letting the community pay for the development of a youngster you’re poaching.

Canterbury district has a very limited pathway. And going into other areas to get juniors isn’t development. It’s leeching.

 

[Liverbird with Phins up]

I wouldn’t know about clubs being reborn in the area, I moved 4 years ago. Because to be honest, it was a hole of a place.

And even with $50 rego fees, clubs couldn’t get people to play.

Reason for this, is that the Canterbury league was dodgy as fuck. I remember my son playing under 12’s running out against people with beards. Not worrying about birth certificates of islanders etc.

That Canterbury comp. Likes its parent club were shady as. And people knew it. Hence, families not bothering.

That mentality is killing the game at grassroots.

 

[Liverbird with Phins up]

One thing I’d suggest with any press release, press conference etc. They aren’t fact. They are more spin/company advertising to get people in.

Take them with a grain of salt, rather then being indoctrinated into the mantra of the masses.

 

[Liverbird with Phins up]

Galvin! Get on it Dolphins!!!!!

 

[257Matt]

Galvin! Get on it Dolphins!!!!!

To get Galvin will need a 10-11 year offer by Tigers, Dolphins or Eels at a crazy price otherwise he'll end up at Roosters with possibly Bulldogs an outsider at Gus sees him as a lock and his contract will align with Mann retiring.

 

[257Matt]

Dude. Sunshine Coast clubs aren’t part of the Canterbury pathways. It’s called poaching other areas.

Rugby league started as a comp where you could only play in the area you are from. Johnny Raper played for St George under shady circumstances.

So that dodgy behaviour has been around for years. In this case it’s not against the rules. However, calling it a pathway makes it sound like you’re doing a great job. But the reality is, you are letting the community pay for the development of a youngster you’re poaching.

Canterbury district has a very limited pathway. And going into other areas to get juniors isn’t development. It’s leeching.

Every club goes far and wide to find that 15-16 year old player.

Nonu is from Ipswich not Dolphins territory, Katoa and Teague are both Penrith juniors recruited straight from their SG Ball side.

Good clubs are two steps ahead in identifying talent. Melbourne only have one local junior in their top 30 and they have the best track record for over 20 years in producing and identifying talent in all areas.

Penrith have the biggest junior league and it was a basket case until Gus Gould cleaned it up and got it producing NRL players for Panthers success.

 

[257Matt]

I wouldn’t know about clubs being reborn in the area, I moved 4 years ago. Because to be honest, it was a hole of a place.

And even with $50 rego fees, clubs couldn’t get people to play.

Reason for this, is that the Canterbury league was dodgy as fuck. I remember my son playing under 12’s running out against people with beards. Not worrying about birth certificates of islanders etc.

That Canterbury comp. Likes its parent club were shady as. And people knew it. Hence, families not bothering.

That mentality is killing the game at grassroots.

Chipping Norton Kangaroos are back this year.

Canterbury Junior League has produced a lot of players in recent years just haven't ended up at the Bulldogs or spat out of the system. Probably the one mistake Gus has made at Canterbury was spitting out Alamoti.

As for over aged players we all know the issue there and it's worse in areas like Penrith, Parramatta and Wests.

The most wasted junior system over the years been Newcastle they do produce so many players just not for the Knights in what is the 3rd biggest Rugby League region in Australia. Take out a once in a generation player what have the Knights achieved considering the passion and love for Rugby League in that region and the wide range of clubs they have this is not even including New England and Mid North Coast regions.

 

[Josh]

Every player except for Flegler that has signed for the Dolphins has either been unwanted by their former clubs or not chased by anyone else or in the cases of Katoa and Teague straight out of SG Ball.

Before I get shouted down about Herbie that was a classic own goal by the Broncos management and ego played so much into that by Walters and Dongahy. Dolphins were trying to get Mariner and Broncos reported Dolphins for breaching the anti-tampering rules and Broncos doubled down by re-signing him to prove a point. Both Gamble and Cobbo went on podcasts where both questioned Walters as a coach Cobbo's was far wider reaching and more damaging yet one was sacked and one was retained the more precious and more talented player kept.

In all this Dolphins cleverly worked out Herbie wasn't as wanted by the Broncos as it seemed and they nailed him. Herbie, Best and Staggs are probably the 2nd to 4th best centres in the NRL today give or take who's 2-3-4 yet Broncos didn't see it that way nor did their propaganda podcaster machine Denan Kemp who has since admitted error in judgement.

Dolphins upped it for Flegler as it was between them and Roosters in the end Dolphins won the battle.

All the rest have been cast off, unwanted or aging players that Bennett got a lot out of.

Bostock and Walsh have a very similar story in both were largely unwanted by Dragons after SG Ball yet they signed their sisters.

So unless Dolphins land a freak junior and I remember Gus Gould saying in 2022 about the Dolphins (it's on YouTube) that a pathways system can often take close to 10 years before it produces NRL ready talent they might need to bid overs for a 5/8 to compliment Katoa. Even though Redcliffe have been around for ages all the good juniors have been in club academies for years eg Toia, Te Kura, Oloapu.

Herbie as well. Has been hard gettIng off the ground as it almost always is. But we are building just fine.

 

[mr_c]

Chipping Norton Kangaroos are back this year.

Canterbury Junior League has produced a lot of players in recent years just haven't ended up at the Bulldogs or spat out of the system. Probably the one mistake Gus has made at Canterbury was spitting out Alamoti.

As for over aged players we all know the issue there and it's worse in areas like Penrith, Parramatta and Wests.

The most wasted junior system over the years been Newcastle they do produce so many players just not for the Knights in what is the 3rd biggest Rugby League region in Australia. Take out a once in a generation player what have the Knights achieved considering the passion and love for Rugby League in that region and the wide range of clubs they have this is not even including New England and Mid North Coast regions.

lol one mistake gus has done ffs , stop talking hes done shitloads

good clubs have people hunting all juniors stomping grounds ,


newcastle is one of the biggest breeding grounds and lot of the time they get poached because clubs simply cant keep them all. like cowboys broncos tigers all strong breeding grounds

we bred for qld cupsides for many years ( now we are a nrl side we have change direction right juniors are allreay been looked at like latterl hence why we targeting diffrent players from lower sides that be nrl ready

stop stressing , it wont happen over night but will

 

[Liverbird with Phins up]

Every club goes far and wide to find that 15-16 year old player.

Nonu is from Ipswich not Dolphins territory, Katoa and Teague are both Penrith juniors recruited straight from their SG Ball side.

Good clubs are two steps ahead in identifying talent. Melbourne only have one local junior in their top 30 and they have the best track record for over 20 years in producing and identifying talent in all areas.

Penrith have the biggest junior league and it was a basket case until Gus Gould cleaned it up and got it producing NRL players for Panthers success.

Dude, are you goulds son?

The Penrith system has been fine, he didn’t clean shit up. He just used it at Penrith. Before that everyone raped it. Just like every other big club.

Gus also suggested to the Roosters, that they fuck their juniors off, and begin raping Souths. So that breeding ground is now virtually non existent.

Gus will do what’s good to keep his club successful and him in a job. And good on him, I’d do the same.