i no the stats but , more and more we seeing the lower top 8 teams have big impact more n more our squad is building nicely n woolf got confidence in all his 30 and we will just grow n grow just outta the top 8 with stack loads missing is huge
Actually it's getting wider and wider. The last time a side outside the Top 4 make a Grand Final was North Queensland in 2017 and before that Canterbury in 2014.
Teams outside Top 4 to make GF
NO CROSS OVER TOP 8 1995 (2 pools of 2/3/6/7 & 1/4/5/8 - no week 3 cross over)
1995 - Canterbury 6th (won)
TOP 10 1999 (effectively 2 Top 5's with a cross over pool)
1998 - Canterbury 9th
MCINTYRE TOP 8 1999-2011
1999 - St George Illawarra 6th
2005 - North Queensland 5th
2009 - Parramatta 8th
2010 - Roosters 6th
2011 - Warriors 6th
CURRENT TOP 8 FORMAT (has cross over pool) 1996 & 2012-2025
1996 - St George 7th
2014 - Canterbury 7th
2017 - North Queensland 8th
We saw 5 teams outside Top 4 make the grand final in the 12 seasons of the McIntyre system than current Top 8 format that's been in place for the last 14 seasons just 2 sides have made the grand final.
The only winner outside the Top 4 since Top 8 was introduced happened in 1995 with Canterbury getting up. That format used in 1995 didn't have the cross over in week 3 meaning if you lost in week 1 and won in week 2 you play the side you played in week 1 again in week 3. It never happened because in 1995 Brisbane/Cronulla went out the finals backdoor.
There was a difference in 1996 with week 2 semis compared to what we see now. It was loser 2v3 (Brisbane 1996) playing winner 5v8 (Cronulla 1996) and loser 1v4 (Roosters 1996) playing winner 6v7 (St George 1996) what we've seen since 2012 is loser 2v3 (Canterbury 2025) v winner 6v7 (Penrith 2025) and loser 1v4 (Canberra 2025) v winner 5v8 (Cronulla 2025).
This was the first year since Parramatta/Roosters in 2020 that two Top 4 sides went out the finals in straight sets.
This was the first year since Melbourne in 2021 where the minor premiers didn't make the Grand Final. This was also the first year since Canterbury in 2012 that the minor premiers weren't Melbourne, Penrith or Roosters.
Also what suited Canterbury in 1995 and St George in 1996 was the venues format. Canterbury played Brisbane 3rd and Canberra 2nd in semi finals at the SFS and St George who came 7th in 1996 got Canberra in week 1 at the SFS. In 1995-96 only one semi-final was played out of Sydney at the SQ Crushers home ground. Brisbane who finished 3rd in 1995 had a semi-final in their home city (not home ground) against Canberra who were 2nd placed.
Canterbury got blessed with the finals draw opening right up for them in 2014 with Manly barely able to field a team in week 2 and Penrith who snuck into 4th in 2014 winning a remarkable week 1 game that put the 2 best sides of 2014 onto the same side of the draw and in 2017 we saw Taumalolo and Morgan play the best 3 weeks of their careers.
So in summary it's now even more important than ever to finish Top 4 as stats are showing it gets harder and harder to make a Grand Final yet alone win one. Top 8 is a pass mark achievement for a club and in Dolphins case qualifying for the first ever time but to actually be there when it matters most it's Top 4.