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257Matt

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Hammer is now the latest player to consider Samoa.

I'm all for Tests and Origin having separate eligibility rules.

Origin hasn't been a Test trial for 3 decades.

I support Hammer, Luai, Haas, Tino, Radley, etc playing for their country of heritage and if eligible for NSW or QLD to play Origin as well.

Eligibility rules for decades have been stretched and Origin is more popular than ever.
 

Dolph

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Hammer is now the latest player to consider Samoa.

I'm all for Tests and Origin having separate eligibility rules.

Origin hasn't been a Test trial for 3 decades.

I support Hammer, Luai, Haas, Tino, Radley, etc playing for their country of heritage and if eligible for NSW or QLD to play Origin as well.

Eligibility rules for decades have been stretched and Origin is more popular than ever.
A few years ago there was an idea to allow 2 non-Australian players in each team. That might be a bit too much when it comes to born and raised Kiwis and Poms but should be the case for Pacific Islanders.
 

257Matt

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A few years ago there was an idea to allow 2 non-Australian players in each team. That might be a bit too much when it comes to born and raised Kiwis and Poms but should be the case for Pacific Islanders.
I know Tallis and a few others are running the scare campaign Herbie will cost a Queenslander their jersey. That's total BS from Tallis and like Tallis can't answer the question about missing out on the captaincy in 1999-2000 to a PNG player.
 

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I know Tallis and a few others are running the scare campaign Herbie will cost a Queenslander their jersey. That's total BS from Tallis and like Tallis can't answer the question about missing out on the captaincy in 1999-2000 to a PNG player.
I think it would be the death knell for international rugby league. NZ are right up there now. It would be silly to allow them to play Origin but equally silly to allow English players but not NZers.
 

257Matt

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I think it would be the death knell for international rugby league. NZ are right up there now. It would be silly to allow them to play Origin but equally silly to allow English players but not NZers.
Tests and Origin should be and are heading to be separate entities.

Origin has long ceased as a Test trial you can even go back to 1989 when Roach & Sironen didn't make the NSW side and walked into the Australian side for 3 mid-season Tests. Sironen could be argued that Lindner and Miles were ruled out of the Tests but he still made the team before the likes of Stains, Miller and McGuire who played in the Origin. Roach was left out of the NSW side but his club form was way better than Bella's. Origin alone evolved 3 times in the 1980's and has further evolved since. No NSW or Queensland fan watches Origin think hey Reece Walsh or Latrell Mitchell is getting picked for Australia they're watching because they're invested in the state side not the international side.

Origin is about players eligible for NSW or QLD based on the current rules of born in the state or lived in those states before 13th birthday. Currently not ever player born or raised in NSW/QLD has represented that state some common ones include Inglis, A Lam, S Rogers, Clyde.

Tests is and should be based on the grandparent rule but just one tweak either Test or Development status rather than Tiers. Should a player want to change allegiance they should be made to wait 12-18 months. The only problem with changing the Tiers to Test or Dev status is we don't have a frequent international programme like what Cricket does. Luke Ronchii was able to play ODI's for Australia and later on played several ODI's & Tests for NZ.
 

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Tests and Origin should be and are heading to be separate entities.

Origin has long ceased as a Test trial you can even go back to 1989 when Roach & Sironen didn't make the NSW side and walked into the Australian side for 3 mid-season Tests. Sironen could be argued that Lindner and Miles were ruled out of the Tests but he still made the team before the likes of Stains, Miller and McGuire who played in the Origin. Roach was left out of the NSW side but his club form was way better than Bella's. Origin alone evolved 3 times in the 1980's and has further evolved since. No NSW or Queensland fan watches Origin think hey Reece Walsh or Latrell Mitchell is getting picked for Australia they're watching because they're invested in the state side not the international side.

Origin is about players eligible for NSW or QLD based on the current rules of born in the state or lived in those states before 13th birthday. Currently not ever player born or raised in NSW/QLD has represented that state some common ones include Inglis, A Lam, S Rogers, Clyde.

Tests is and should be based on the grandparent rule but just one tweak either Test or Development status rather than Tiers. Should a player want to change allegiance they should be made to wait 12-18 months. The only problem with changing the Tiers to Test or Dev status is we don't have a frequent international programme like what Cricket does. Luke Ronchii was able to play ODI's for Australia and later on played several ODI's & Tests for NZ.
I don't know the details but I thought it was a result of the NSW coach and Steve Roach hating each other.
 

257Matt

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I don't know the details but I thought it was a result of the NSW coach and Steve Roach hating each other.
Yes that was correct Jack Gibson never liked Steve Roach.

Bob Fulton on the other hand a massive fan of Roach not so much of Bella.
 

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I like watching Origin but I'm not passionate in the sense of hating everything one state or another I follow the Bulldogs and Dolphins players more than the states.

Last night in commentary Andrew Johns talked up Bostock as a possible replacement should To'o and Lomax be injured and Katoa today confirmed he's available for NSW selection if picked. How would Dolphins fans feel should players like Bostock, Katoa and Saifiti get picked for NSW?

I really supported Katoa playing for Tonga last year.
 

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I like watching Origin but I'm not passionate in the sense of hating everything one state or another I follow the Bulldogs and Dolphins players more than the states.

Last night in commentary Andrew Johns talked up Bostock as a possible replacement should To'o and Lomax be injured and Katoa today confirmed he's available for NSW selection if picked. How would Dolphins fans feel should players like Bostock, Katoa and Saifiti get picked for NSW?

I really supported Katoa playing for Tonga last year.
Of course it'd be great for the club (to have them play for NSW). I would just hope they play well, but not too well.
 
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